User talk:Poromenos
- How about unprotecting the main page? I can think of a few ways to improve it.
- Done, experimentally. It will be reverted if it is vandalised, though. --Poromenos 13:20, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Done, what do you think? Also, forgot to sign my last message. Oops. --Trinexx 14:23, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Err, that's actually very very nice. I'd also like to see the brief explanation for RoDpedia added somewhere around the top, and links to information and mobs (and perhaps the stub and cleanup categories near "how you can help), but otherwise it's very complete, and a far cry better than the original page. Congratulations, sir. --Poromenos 21:53, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Thanks. The purpose of adding the current events page to the top is to add information about the wiki, but you can change it to display any page you want.
- I edited it around a bit, I would still like the Mobs and Information section made as the others are, but I don't know where they should go so as to not disturb the general layout. I think adding one more row to the table would be overkill for smaller screens. --Poromenos 22:08, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- You can display two sections within the same row without any major problems. --Trinexx 22:09, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Well, yes, but we'd have to add two more, one for mobs and one for info, and I don't want to add them to the single rows, since it looks better now. Perhaps modifying the "Other sites" section to a "Various" one, but Mobs and Information is more important than links, so I don't feel right about putting them in the same section. I'll think about this and see, meanwhile I would gladly listen to any suggestions you might have. --Poromenos 22:19, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- I'll play around in the sandbox on my wiki for a bit. I'll let you know how it turns out. --Trinexx 22:39, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Well, yes, but we'd have to add two more, one for mobs and one for info, and I don't want to add them to the single rows, since it looks better now. Perhaps modifying the "Other sites" section to a "Various" one, but Mobs and Information is more important than links, so I don't feel right about putting them in the same section. I'll think about this and see, meanwhile I would gladly listen to any suggestions you might have. --Poromenos 22:19, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- You can display two sections within the same row without any major problems. --Trinexx 22:09, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- I edited it around a bit, I would still like the Mobs and Information section made as the others are, but I don't know where they should go so as to not disturb the general layout. I think adding one more row to the table would be overkill for smaller screens. --Poromenos 22:08, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Thanks. The purpose of adding the current events page to the top is to add information about the wiki, but you can change it to display any page you want.
- Err, that's actually very very nice. I'd also like to see the brief explanation for RoDpedia added somewhere around the top, and links to information and mobs (and perhaps the stub and cleanup categories near "how you can help), but otherwise it's very complete, and a far cry better than the original page. Congratulations, sir. --Poromenos 21:53, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Done, what do you think? Also, forgot to sign my last message. Oops. --Trinexx 14:23, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- Done, experimentally. It will be reverted if it is vandalised, though. --Poromenos 13:20, 3 November 2006 (EST)
- I found out why the infoboxes weren't working right. Proper infoboxes (check the original version of Iteminfo I had up, you'll see what I mean.), weren't implemented until the 1.6x versions of MediaWiki. --Trinexx 09:18, 5 November 2006 (EST)
- Do you mean I should upgrade to 1.6 if I want them to work? --Poromenos 11:32, 5 November 2006 (EST)
- Looks like you got a few spambots crawling around. Fortunately, they're stupid and don't know how to make links properly. Hhyvbdl tried to fill the administrators article with dozens of spam links, I removed them and put up a (half-assed) article. --Trinexx 22:19, 25 November 2006 (EST)
- Yeah, it sucks. I check the new changes RSS feed all the time, so they get banned pretty quickly. Thanks for the change! --Poromenos 06:50, 26 November 2006 (EST)
- Is there a guideline against the use of blending instead of piped links? For example, is Mobiles to be preferred instead of Mobiles, and if so why? Thanks. --Sartier 18:18, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- I'd say blending is probably a touch better, just for efficiency. But from the finished article there's no visible difference, so I don't think it really matters much. --Tokai 19:01, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Indeed. Just use any one you prefer, it doesn't matter much. --Poromenos 19:08, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- I'd say blending is probably a touch better, just for efficiency. But from the finished article there's no visible difference, so I don't think it really matters much. --Tokai 19:01, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Strange, it looks like the template I made back in November is working properly now o_O --Trinexx 16:35, 13 December 2006 (EST)
- I upgraded to 1.8.2 from 1.6.something recently, maybe that did it.
- Ok, rewind. Forget everything I just said because I'm retarded. I propose the following: "The draconian|Draconian, The" for 2 reasons. Skace 18:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- 1, It will show up under "D", keeping the system cleaner.
- 2, It will show up under "A draconian" should the name also exist in the same list (possible with a list of all items / etc). (Say you have: "The draconian|Draconian, The", "A draconian|Draconian, A", "This draconian|Draconian, This" and "Draconian". Keeping the articles in the categorization should make them all show up in proper alphabetical order when the list shows up but hopefully with the original "Draconian" showing up first.
- No, you don't do it like that, you don't add the article in the sort field, you just do "The draconian|draconian" (no ", The"). Since they're all capitalised, then I agree, we should have mobs written like "The draconian|draconian". --Poromenos 19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, let me try this another way. below. Skace 22:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not really, if you enter "Draconian, A" and "Draconian, The", the former will be before the latter (because A is before T). At any rate, I think you're giving this too much thought :P. Just have them sorted like you said, with "Draconian, The" and it should be fine. --Poromenos 00:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, let me try this another way. below. Skace 22:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- No, you don't do it like that, you don't add the article in the sort field, you just do "The draconian|draconian" (no ", The"). Since they're all capitalised, then I agree, we should have mobs written like "The draconian|draconian". --Poromenos 19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Check out the Templates also, did some serious clean up. I need some feedback on the item templates, namely categorization and how it is even possible. Skace 18:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Poro, you may notice all the additional documentation pages that I added. I did this after reading something on wikipedia that basically stated that if you put your documentation directly into your template then you cause a massive overhead everytime that template is used. So moving the documentation to sub templates keeps the template itself lean and causes less overhead for your website. Also, at some point you are going to want into locking down all serious templates and css files to only you being able to edit them, these are mainly the ones that are straight from wikimedia, since you don't want someone altering those. The templates I'm creating would need to eventually be locked down to admins of some sort since modifications could be equally damaging but not on the same scale. Keep an eye on this (http://rodpedia.poromenos.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10) Skace 22:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Sure thing, just tell me which ones are ready for locking and I'll lock them. --Poromenos 00:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Poromenos, Check out the Area template and let me know what you think about the image size, would you rather have the full screen image back or a thumbnail type version? Thanks. Skace 17:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, since the full size images usually break the page layout, I'd prefer the thumbnail, like you have it now, thanks. That's a great job you're doing with templates, I should modify my item script to export templates directly. --Poromenos 18:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, only problem with the item template is that it doesn't have all of your categories. How does your script know to populate so many different categories, is it manual or automatic? Skace 21:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's automatic, based on the ID. What's the problem? I can just have my script generate a list of categories to pass to the template. --Poromenos 21:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- I was concerned about people attempting to enter an item manually.. if there was an easier way. I've added a field to the item template called "cats" it should allow you to add additional categories with proper syntax ie: [[category:devout]] or whatever. Something you need to know about the templates, they use a variable called cname for the sort name of the object. Once this is set, it sets a variable called {{DEFAULTSORT}}. This variable changes what the sort phrase is in every category instance so you don't have to do it manually. So if you add additional categories with "cats" you won't need to tack on a specific sort name, just as long as you've set the cname variable properly. Skace 00:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, that's quite nice. --Poromenos 02:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to create a bot that looks at already created item pages (ones that were created by the template) and sees if it needs the "cats" field populated with additional data based on the id data? So a person creates an item record, fills out most of the information except the additional categories, the script or bot sees this new page and auto updates it with the missing data. Sound possible / crazy? Skace 09:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Actually yes, it can even regenerate the entire page based on the ID. It'd take a bit of time though, of which I don't have a lot these days :/ --Poromenos 13:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to create a bot that looks at already created item pages (ones that were created by the template) and sees if it needs the "cats" field populated with additional data based on the id data? So a person creates an item record, fills out most of the information except the additional categories, the script or bot sees this new page and auto updates it with the missing data. Sound possible / crazy? Skace 09:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, that's quite nice. --Poromenos 02:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- I was concerned about people attempting to enter an item manually.. if there was an easier way. I've added a field to the item template called "cats" it should allow you to add additional categories with proper syntax ie: [[category:devout]] or whatever. Something you need to know about the templates, they use a variable called cname for the sort name of the object. Once this is set, it sets a variable called {{DEFAULTSORT}}. This variable changes what the sort phrase is in every category instance so you don't have to do it manually. So if you add additional categories with "cats" you won't need to tack on a specific sort name, just as long as you've set the cname variable properly. Skace 00:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's automatic, based on the ID. What's the problem? I can just have my script generate a list of categories to pass to the template. --Poromenos 21:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, only problem with the item template is that it doesn't have all of your categories. How does your script know to populate so many different categories, is it manual or automatic? Skace 21:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, since the full size images usually break the page layout, I'd prefer the thumbnail, like you have it now, thanks. That's a great job you're doing with templates, I should modify my item script to export templates directly. --Poromenos 18:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Poromenos, Can we try these out:
- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2008-August/000076.html
- I can't get user specific CSS pages working with our current stuff for some reason. I see the code in wikimedia's common.js but not in ours. --Skace 16:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, what's the problem? You can just go to MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js and edit them, it's not a server thing. The software update will have to wait a bit because I'm busy with exams at the moment, I'm afraid :/ --Poromenos 16:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, just FYI if I try to go to common.css it tells me it's locked. Which is probably a good thing since you don't want people changing that. --Skace 17:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, I thought you had permission for everything... Anyway I made the changes you requested, I'll have to look into the permission thing later on. --Poromenos 17:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Rollback when you can, didn't help and broke the navbox menus, oops. These CSS files aren't cut and dry. Thanks. --Skace 09:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Think I figured out the problem... Please check this when you can --Skace 14:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Note: In the default configuration, any User Style code will be ignored. To enable User Style, the following two settings have to be enabled through LocalSettings.php:
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$wgAllowUserJs = true;
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$wgAllowUserCss = true;
- I have made the two changes, let me know if it works. --Poromenos 16:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Works, It'll take some time for me to get the results I'm looking for now. Thanks. You can delete these 2 pages: User:Skace/Common.css and User:Skace/Monobook.css, the one that actually works now that the settings are in place is User:Skace/monobook.css case sensitive. --Skace 17:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Ok check out User:Skace#Sandbox. If it doesn't look right, you may need to copy User:Skace/monobook.css to User:Poromenos/monobook.css and then shift+refresh it. It's just a start, but it really simplifies the stuff nicely. --Skace 18:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- I can't tell the difference between the Mob1 and Mob2 styles, but I like all of them. We do need to chat on IM or the MUD or something though, do you have Google Talk/Jabber/MSN/Yahoo? --Poromenos 18:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Only difference between mob1 and mob2 is the fixed spacing in the description part. Mob2 will fit as many words per line as it can, Mob1 is game identical. Mob2 works better if you have a low resolution / large font -- more versatile. I have... none of those, hah. Basically only Steam and IRC, skace on both - irc.undernet.org or irc.gamesurge.net. Ummm I'm ingame also but mostly idle. Heading home in a sec but need to fix my router so I probably won't be available until later tonight. --Skace 18:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- I can't tell the difference between the Mob1 and Mob2 styles, but I like all of them. We do need to chat on IM or the MUD or something though, do you have Google Talk/Jabber/MSN/Yahoo? --Poromenos 18:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Ok check out User:Skace#Sandbox. If it doesn't look right, you may need to copy User:Skace/monobook.css to User:Poromenos/monobook.css and then shift+refresh it. It's just a start, but it really simplifies the stuff nicely. --Skace 18:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Works, It'll take some time for me to get the results I'm looking for now. Thanks. You can delete these 2 pages: User:Skace/Common.css and User:Skace/Monobook.css, the one that actually works now that the settings are in place is User:Skace/monobook.css case sensitive. --Skace 17:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- I have made the two changes, let me know if it works. --Poromenos 16:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Rollback when you can, didn't help and broke the navbox menus, oops. These CSS files aren't cut and dry. Thanks. --Skace 09:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, I thought you had permission for everything... Anyway I made the changes you requested, I'll have to look into the permission thing later on. --Poromenos 17:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, just FYI if I try to go to common.css it tells me it's locked. Which is probably a good thing since you don't want people changing that. --Skace 17:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, what's the problem? You can just go to MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js and edit them, it's not a server thing. The software update will have to wait a bit because I'm busy with exams at the moment, I'm afraid :/ --Poromenos 16:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
